spazdog
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| 04/14/2007 3:09 AM |
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Frank Frazetta's Death Dealer from Image is sold out at Diamond. On the heels of the announcement, it was revealed that a second printing is on the way to the printers with a............wait for it.............gold foil cover. Are we reliving the 90s? Avatar and Dynamite have had foil covers over the past few years. Avatar even had at times a leather cover. Image has a higher profile and has stayed away from some of the gimmicky covers. Do these variant or specialty cover comics interest you? How much is too much?
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Dr Noah Drake
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| 04/14/2007 5:52 PM |
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| Gimmick covers make me want to barf, anyone remember the Eclipso mini series? |
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AtomicDustin
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| 04/14/2007 6:39 PM |
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| Variant covers don't bother me so much if it is only two covers per issue. Choices are always a good thing. Especially when the cover artist is someone you don't particularly like, it is nice choosing a better cover. That being said i don't need to choose between 5 variant covers plus and incentive cover, plus a sketch incentive cover, plus a foil embossed cover. Thats just rediculous. On the subject of second printings, a different cover is fine as long as it is the same price as the original. But when they fail to mention on the cover that it is a second printing, as they tend to do, it realy sucks for people to pick up a book they think they don't have only to get home and relize they now have two copies of the same issue. so all in all, Variant covers are fine as long as they dont overdo it as in Avatar's case. |
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Dr Noah Drake
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| 04/14/2007 6:40 PM |
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| Drake Hate Avatar! |
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Dr.Mid-nite
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| 04/16/2007 1:31 PM |
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| I think... make that I know that the multiple variants of this book, and the subject of said book are aimed at the comics lowest common denominator. It is an all flash no substance title that was originally a verotik title if I am correct. I worked in a store that dealt in the bad chaos and verotik books and the people who would buy them were the lowest common denominator of society and they would buy every single cover they could afford thinking that it would be worth something. This book is not put out for guys who read Astro City, Transmetropolitan and Powers. Let the plebians have there gladitor games and gore driven comics about paintings that you find on the sides of 80's vans and on the hoods of their El Caminos. If it sells more power to Image for nabbing their cash. |
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Atomic Stephanie
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| 04/18/2007 2:35 AM |
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keep in mind...the times these DID happen...are rare. Not only that...but man...this isn't the 90's...they've learned lessons by now. I don't think we'll have to keep worring about foil or leather covers 
I will say....I ike varient covers..it gives consumers a choice to pick what cover they like best...as long as there arn't like 5...but that's a rare occassion as well. |
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spazdog
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| 04/19/2007 2:39 AM |
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Posted By Atomic Stephanie on 04/18/2007 2:35 AM keep in mind...the times these DID happen...are rare. Not only that...but man...this isn't the 90's...they've learned lessons by now. I don't think we'll have to keep worring about foil or leather covers I will say....I ike varient covers..it gives consumers a choice to pick what cover they like best...as long as there arn't like 5...but that's a rare occassion as well.
We are reliving the 90s. Publishers haven't learned their lessons. Look in the Previews catalog....past the Premier Publishers (Dark Horse, DC, Image, Top Cow)....past ADV......Avatar.....5 covers for Night of the Living Dead plus a foil incentive cover and Lady Death had a Leather cover within the last year if not sooner.....flip further.......Devil's Due....multiple covers including a $5.99 regular R.A. Salvatore book cover and a $8.99 deluxe R.A. Salvatore cover.....flip further.......Dynamite.....2-5 covers of BattleStar Galactica, Red Sonja, Xena, etc plus 2-3 incentive covers and a foil cover of each issue.........flip further......IDW multiple Scarface and Star Trek covers including 1-2 incentive covers.......should I continue?
That doesn't include the DC, Marvel, Image and Top Cow multiple covers and incentive. I thought that the Justice League of America #7 and Intiative: Avengers #1 covers were cool, but they could have been just as effective as a wraparound cover or a gatefold. At least, we don't see the die cut and poly bagged books anymore. Maybe that's the one lesson they learned.
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spazdog
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| 04/19/2007 2:42 AM |
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Posted By Dr Noah Drake on 04/14/2007 5:52 PM
Gimmick covers make me want to barf, anyone remember the Eclipso mini series?
The eclipso one was cool with the fake purple jewel. The ones that killed were the four or five different covers for the Robin mini-series for each issue of the mini-series.
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spazdog
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| 04/19/2007 2:48 AM |
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Posted By Dr.Mid-nite on 04/16/2007 1:31 PM
I think... make that I know that the multiple variants of this book, and the subject of said book are aimed at the comics lowest common denominator. It is an all flash no substance title that was originally a verotik title if I am correct. I worked in a store that dealt in the bad chaos and verotik books and the people who would buy them were the lowest common denominator of society and they would buy every single cover they could afford thinking that it would be worth something. This book is not put out for guys who read Astro City, Transmetropolitan and Powers. Let the plebians have there gladitor games and gore driven comics about paintings that you find on the sides of 80's vans and on the hoods of their El Caminos. If it sells more power to Image for nabbing their cash.
Admittedly, I'm not a big fan of the fantasy genre, but I'll say one thing. The gore is kept to a minimum. There was no cursing or nudity. It's the story that Frank wanted written. It kept my attention. It's a story I would feel comfortable letting a teenager read. You might be thinking of the Glen Danzig Death Dealer stories from a few years back. |
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Dr.Mid-nite
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| 04/19/2007 11:15 AM |
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| I was talking about the Verotik on and what I meant was the people coming in for this title. |
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Dr Noah Drake
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| 04/20/2007 7:57 PM |
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| the good thing about shitty comics like Death Dealer, is it keeps a lot of shitty creators away from the good comics, imagine how much bigger of turd Civil War would have been if you couldn't at least enjoyed the art, imagine if they had placed civil war in the hands of... dare I say it... Juan Jose Ryp |
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Buddy Baker
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| 04/21/2007 1:27 AM |
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Variant covers = Overkill in a lot of cases. I blame Chaos Comics for setting the bar on that one (and we see where that got them, don't we?)
Frankly though, foil covers have kind of a stigma about them BUT that means if someone does do one, it WILL stand out. If I walked into a shop and saw a gold-stamp foil cover I would at the very least pick it up and flip through it.
Also, I admit I bought the foil cover for Transformers #1 and Megaman #1. |
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Joe
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| 04/21/2007 1:31 AM |
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| Personally, I think any series with a number in its title should have at LEAST that many variant covers. Gen 13 #1 was the only issue that got it right. Where are the 24 variant covers for the "24" series? And don't get me started on 52... |
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Dr Noah Drake
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| 04/21/2007 2:03 AM |
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| The biggest gimmick cover offender in the history of comics was... Turok Dinosaur Hunter #1, that's the comic that put 3 out of 5 shops out of business across the country. |
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jayfotos
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| 05/08/2007 12:03 AM |
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| A different perspective...
Why did we do 3 different covers?
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A: We, of course, had to use Frank's art for the cover.
B: We wanted to do our own covers.
C: The incentive cover(cover C) is something we set to do as just a 3rd sketch cover, why? Simple, because we wanted to do a sketch cover. Then it was turned into the "incentive cover", why? Easy, to sell more books.
D: Because it's fun to do.
Why the gold foil 2nd printing?
A: The book sold out in 6 hours, that has not happened in over 10 years at Image comics and we were not expecting this in the least. We HAD to reuse Frank's art again, so why not jazz it up and it looks real cool.
B: Because it's fun to do.
As a thank you to all the retailers for supporting the book we also printed a #1 gold foil with the Frazetta stamp seal(in gold foil as well)...for free...we paid for that out of our own pockets.
After printing costs and the FREE books for the retailers we barley make any profit from the second printing, it was almost not worth it and we almost didn't do it.
So why did we do it?
Answer: Because it's fun to do.
With the success of this series gives us room to do more Frazetta related books.
Why would we want to be successful and continue with more Frazetta related books?
Answer: Because it's fun to do.
You have to remember this is a CREATOR OWNED independent book, not the big two with a mountain of money behind it. We, the creators, of this series pay for everything, printing, previews ads, shipping, fees etc...and we don't see profits til months after the books come out. It's all our responsibility and we try not to bitch about it along the way.
Why?
Because it's fun to do!
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jayfotos
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| 05/08/2007 12:27 AM |
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| PS- So we are all on the same page, the whole cover is not gold foil, if you happen to have the first issue printing you'll see in the logo(cover A) from what looks like gold in the logo is gold foil in the 2nd printing, I would like to think we did'nt go overbaord with it and have a bit of class. |
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MarionCobretti
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| 05/08/2007 1:03 AM |
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| I agree, Jay. I think where they should be focusing their ire is at Avatar or Dynamite, where they have 12 variants and multiple mini-series going at once for the exact same character. Seriously... trying to find a specific issue of Lady Death nowadays is like trying to pilot your 1950 Mercury through LA rush hour traffic in an attempt to escape a crazed murder cult... |
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Dr Noah Drake
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| 05/08/2007 1:30 PM |
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Posted By MarionCobretti on 05/08/2007 1:03 AM
I agree, Jay. I think where they should be focusing their ire is at Avatar or Dynamite, where they have 12 variants and multiple mini-series going at once for the exact same character. Seriously... trying to find a specific issue of Lady Death nowadays is like trying to pilot your 1950 Mercury through LA rush hour traffic in an attempt to escape a crazed murder cult...
BRILLIANT! |
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AtomicJohn
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| 05/14/2007 10:00 AM |
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| At least Avatar allows stores to pick which covers they buy....mostly. It's a little esasier on the retailer who knows if they have a customer who always buys wraparound covers to just get that one for that customer instead of having to gouge that poor sap because they(the retailer) had to buy fifteen copies just to get one wraparound to please that one customer. Don't get me wrong Avatar and Dynamite produce way too many covers and need to get their heads out of the nineties before they go the way of valiant. where dead means dead. |
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Buddy Baker
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| 05/25/2007 11:21 PM |
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Posted By Dr Noah Drake on 04/21/2007 2:03 AM
The biggest gimmick cover offender in the history of comics was... Turok Dinosaur Hunter #1, that's the comic that put 3 out of 5 shops out of business across the country. And now I own that book, bought it for 50 cents at Bookman's. Just cuz.
Magnus Robot Figther #25 too. I'm on a foil cover trip.
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