Atomic Stephanie
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| 04/09/2007 2:06 AM |
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What makes a comic good? If you HAD to pick one...would you say the wrighting? Or the art? I know that it's hard to read a comic you think has a great story when the art is bad....just as hard as it is to continue on with a bad story...even if the art is bad ass. But when it comes down to it...whoch one makes you clench your teeth and continue?
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Anthokillz
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| 04/09/2007 10:03 AM |
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Thats actually a really good question!
But it depends on a lot things. Like what type of mood you are in or what you feel like reading at the moment.
For most comic people its a form of ecscapism. You have to be in the right mood for certain things most the time. Like if you really just want to "read read" a comic its good to go for Bendis stuff and detective/crime type books but if you just want to distract yourself with pretty colors and dorky pictures then go for something like Pirates of Coney Island or Scott Pilgrim. like cartoonish Indie crap usually does it for me if I just want to pass the time but if I'm in a reading mood its good to go with mainstream crime/hero type stuff.
Just depends...
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Shin_Alucard
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| 04/09/2007 5:31 PM |
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I agree. The story is important to me. Art is also good but its just frosting. Without the cake its just sugar....mmmmmmm cake......
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spazdog
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| 04/09/2007 7:53 PM |
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Would you rather listen to a movie on the radio or watch a movie with the sound off? I would say listen to a movie on the radio which means I'm a story guy.
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Atomic Stephanie
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| 04/10/2007 1:04 AM |
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Spaz....that makes no sence. Comic books are not movies. There is such a thing called silent films. |
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grifter
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| 04/10/2007 1:21 AM |
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The comic medium merges writing and art so excellence in one can only go so far to buoy mediocrity. That said, I'm more willing to forgive below average art than I am a below average story. I read and loved all of Peter David's original X-Factor run with Larry Stroman, but dropped the gorgeously drawn Civil War after three issues. I haven't read more than three issues of anything Jim Lee's drawn in the better part of a decade (admittedly I kept grabbing Hush with the hope I'd get to see Jim Lee's Two-Face, but instead all we got was fully-healed, bald-headed Harvey Dent, making Two-Face, the most visually interesting member of Batman's rogues' gallery, the only bat villain Lee didn't draw), yet I gritted my teeth and got through the last year or so of Punisher Marvel Knights run with Tom Mandrake and John McCrea drawing the worst Frank Castles I've seen since Jon Bogdanove in the early '90s. That probably was more a case of that stupid completist attitude comic fans have and comic publishers rely on to keep sales up.
Rarely have I dropped a book from my pull list because I love the story but hate the art, but have often dropped bad stories with beautiful artwork.
A good writer with a good story can also convince me I like an artist more than I might otherwise. If Eduardo Risso weren't drawing 100 Bullets, I'd have no opinion good or bad about him, but because of the story I think more highly of his artistic skills. On the other hand, there are several artists I'll stand in line to get a sketch from or pay for a commission, even though I don't read their books. Ian Churchill can't convince me Supergirl is a good book, David Finch himself admitted Moon Knight was dull as a butterknife, and Lee Bermejo... well, other than covers, what has Lee Bermejo done since that terrible Lex Luthor miniseries? I might take a shot at a book because of the artist, but I'm much more likely to do so for a writer. |
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spazdog
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| 04/10/2007 2:13 AM |
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Sure there are silent films, but they were produced with the knowledge that the story would have to be told without sound. Watching a movie that was intended have the dialogue heard to understand with the sound off would tell you whether the "art" would tell the story effectively.
Feel free to come up with a different analogy, but it made it easier to make an informed opinion on this topic.
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marlowespade
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| 04/10/2007 4:16 AM |
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| So, I'll just echo what grifter had to say... if a story is engaging, then it keeps me coming back unless the art is God Damn Horrible. I will sooner drop a series after one or two issues of bad writing than I would after one or two isssues of bad artwork. The plain truth of the matter is that writing makes you think, artwork makes you look, and I get mch more out of 6 well-written comics than I do from 6 well-drawn comics. Every. Time. |
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lostboyrufio
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| 04/12/2007 3:42 AM |
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| In my opinion most of the mainstream books nowadays don't have many decent stories among them and that's why i mainly read indie books. Most indie titles are drawn and illustrated by the same person so the feel is perfect. I only like a book if the art goes well with the story, they have to compliment each other or it's pointless. It's like having Dillon on Wolverine right now and it makes me want to barf, but Yu on New Avengers makes me gitty like a school girl. It's all about the chemistry. And the majority of the comic industry is failing it's science classes. |
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MattR
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| 04/13/2007 8:21 PM |
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| I am gonna say the story because a really good one can carry me through all but the worst of art. Although certain artists like Ramos could draw anything and I would buy it. SO it really depends on the circumstance. |
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Dr Noah Drake
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| 04/14/2007 5:43 PM |
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| I can always look past bad art & enjoy a comic for the story, however sometimes a really good artist can make the writing better with their artistic storytelling. But at the end of the day, if the story is absolute crap, & all you have is art, then all you have is a bad comic. Remember 90's Marvel & Image, those 2 companies in particular for an entire decade were strictly visual. Think hard & try to name a good 90's Marvel story, think really hard & try to even name an image story. Now go over to your pals at DC throughout the 90's they weren't really concerned about the flashy artists, & in the early 90's that's what the fan base wanted, & the sales figures proved it, but when you think back to the stories DC had great ones. Just look at their Vertigo imprint Sandman ran throughout the 90's (I know it started in the 80's, but we're talking about the 62 issues that came out in the 90's not the 13 from the 80's) that series had terrible art, some of the worst ever in modern comics, but it is considered by many (not me) to be the greatest comic of all time. While Marvel was trying to be flashy, Dc was publishing Starman, Preacher, Doom Patrol, while Marvel was shitting out their latest clone or infinity gem story. Look I lost track of the point a long time ago, at the end of the day, the rule is it's the writing that makes a comic good, you have your exceptions to the rule, but they are few & far between. Hamburger |
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AtomicDustin
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| 04/14/2007 7:04 PM |
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| Two words. AVENGERS ASSEMBLE! Kurt Busiek and George Perez. simply amazing stuff. |
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Dr Noah Drake
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| 04/14/2007 7:09 PM |
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| George Perez is one of those exceptions, everything he's ever done is great |
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Atomic Stephanie
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| 04/18/2007 2:20 AM |
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| Yeah... agree the art needs to compliment the story...for example...I think I'd be all mad if Scott Pilgrim had diffrent art then what it has now. It's crappy, but it fits the style of wrighting so well I woldn't want to see it any other way. |
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Dr Noah Drake
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| 04/21/2007 2:09 AM |
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| but what of the case when the book has the same artist as writer & one aspect is total poop, like army @ love, great story terrible art, but it's all the same dude, who better to know your artistic vision than you? |
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